Did Obama misspeak, make mistake?

In his questioning of Petraeus and Crocker today,

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Re: Did Obama misspeak, make mistake? (2.00 / 2)

Big deal. Obviously Crocker knew what he meant.

Everyone makes little slips of the tongue from time to time.


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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:35:06 PM EST

Well..... (2.00 / 2)

if this were Clinton, you would most likely be all over it.


by soyousay on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:17:09 PM EST
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Re: Well..... (none / 0)

Of course I wouldn't. This is nothing like making up details of an encounter and repeating them multiple times in order to make the case of greater foreign policy experience. That's the kind of thing I criticize.


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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:21:59 PM EST
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Making up vs misremembering? (2.00 / 3)

You speak as if you know she made it up.  You don't.  Human long-term memory is notoriously terrible.

A gram or two of generosity would be appreciated.


by Trickster on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:26:08 PM EST
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Re: Making up vs misremembering? (2.00 / 1)

Good point. People do reconstruct the past.


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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:30:11 PM EST
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Indeed (2.00 / 3)

Look at Obama's resume.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:50:09 PM EST
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Re: Indeed (none / 0)

That's a wee bit silly!


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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:25:12 PM EST
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Re: Indeed (2.00 / 2)

"Silly?" Yep, that's how I'd characterize his "reconstructed" resume.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:37:24 PM EST
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Heres's your chance to criticize (2.00 / 2)

Obama first said that he never heard Rev. Wright say anything controversial and than later on admitted that he heard controversial statements from Rev. Wright. You're going to criticize Obama right??? :D


by soyousay on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:36:28 PM EST
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Re: Heres's your chance to criticize (none / 0)

That's not what he said and you know it.


by mefck on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:38:58 PM EST
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Re: Heres's your chance to criticize (2.00 / 2)

"But, for the first time, Obama admitted what he previously had denied: that he was present when Wright had made some of his outrageous comments."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/030 8/9104.html


by soyousay on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:58:02 PM EST
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Re: Heres's your chance to criticize (none / 0)

That statement is false and has been debunked so many times that it is in insult for me to add to the count.  He denied being present for the specific comments that received so much play on Fox and YouTube (you know what they are, so I will not repeat).  He acknowledged in his speech that he had heard the pastor deliver marks that sould be considered controversial.


by haystax calhoun on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 01:31:03 AM EST
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It's exactly what he said (2.00 / 2)

When Obama appeared on Anderson Cooper's show on March 14th he said he had not "ever" heard controversial statements while in Wright's church.

SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, first of all, Anderson, you know, I strongly condemn the statements that have been shown on the tape.

I have to confess that those are not statements that I ever heard when I was sitting in the pews at this church. . . .

COOPER: Did you not know, though, that, I mean, a couple days after 9/11, he said, you know, this was America's chickens coming home to roost, a result of what he called American terrorism around the world?

I mean, you may not have been there, but have you--you must have heard that he had said these things.

OBAMA: You know, I confess that I did not hear about this--until I started running for president.

Here's Obama four days later saying in his big speech about Wright that he did, actually, hear controversial comments in Wright's church:

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely -- just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:58:22 PM EST
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I'm probably wasteing my time (2.00 / 1)

I'm sure you don't care, but if you actually read what you posed he said that he had not heard the comment Revered Wright said about 9/11 until the campaign started. And in his speech he said that he had heard occasionally heard remarks that could be considered controversial. These are consistent statements.

Admitting to hearing comments that could be considered controversial is not the same thing as hearing that specific sermon. So unless you can somehow prove that he was in fact present in church for the 9/11 sermon you don't really have much of a case.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 12:25:32 AM EST
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Re: I'm probably wasteing my time (none / 0)

Foot meets dead horse.  and again.  and again.


by haystax calhoun on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 01:33:31 AM EST
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tha tis exactly what he said (2.00 / 1)


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:05:34 PM EST
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Re: tha tis exactly what he said (none / 0)

Please show EXACT QUOTES.


by haystax calhoun on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 01:34:48 AM EST
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Re: Did Obama misspeak, make mistake? (2.00 / 2)

Especially when you don't know what you are talking about.  


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:20:23 PM EST
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He has had far worse than this one (2.00 / 2)

he obviously meant to say Iran not Iraqi- he is tired, give him a break.
by linc on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:37:18 PM EST

Tell me.... (2.00 / 2)

Does Barack need a pillow? :D


by soyousay on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:18:17 PM EST
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Re: Tell me.... (2.00 / 2)

They all do!  I am amazed at how all of them keep going day after day.


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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:22:36 PM EST
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Ha! (2.00 / 1)

Now we should write three hundred diaries about handle it and surely couldn't become POTUS because he gets tired and mis-speaks!
too funny.
by linc on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:34:07 PM EST
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Re: Tell me.... (2.00 / 1)

I think he was sitting on one.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:06:26 PM EST
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Re: He has had far worse than this one (2.00 / 3)

He should have just said present, that seems to work better for him....


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:21:28 PM EST
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Re: He has had far worse than this one (none / 0)

Wow linc, you stood up for Obama. Thank you. I truly have more respect for you.


by lion king on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:56:32 PM EST
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Breaking: Obama leaves toilet seat up! (2.00 / 2)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:40:18 PM EST

Re: Breaking: Obama leaves toilet seat up! (2.00 / 3)

Evidently he snores sometimes, too.


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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:45:46 PM EST
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Re: Did Obama misspeak, make mistake? (2.00 / 1)

I heard that too.

Yes, he did mispeak - but I find it amazing that he corrected it without a beat within the same Q/A set:

"that Iran's government has assisted in arming special groups that are doing harm to Iraqi security forces and undermining the Iraqi government"

Not that I thought he doesnt understand the difference, which would be a ridiculous notion.


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:41:35 PM EST

Re: Did Obama misspeak, make mistake? (none / 0)

Give mea a break!  This guy is as dumb as a box of rocks.  He's proven it over and over.  Jeez!


by Tunk on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:50:31 PM EST
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Re: Did Obama misspeak, make mistake? (none / 0)

Dont forget lucky, too.


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:39:53 PM EST
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The dems (2.00 / 4)

make mistakes, both our candidates know the difference.  John McCain is a whole other story.  He continues to make the same error, which is scary.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:51:20 PM EST

Re: The dems (2.00 / 1)

Ain't that the truth!

And since McCain's repeated "mistake" is also saber rattling...well, that's just all the more scary.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:26:53 PM EST
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Glass houses? (1.50 / 2)

In his speech in North Carolina today, Obama noted McCain's confusion yesterday between Sunni and Shiites, and said that McCain is focused on tactics to the exclusion of strategy.

In his sharpest passage, he suggested that McCain's misunderstanding of the Middle East is why he supported the war in the first place -- a sharp jab, though not really a serious contention:

Just yesterday, we heard Sen. McCain confuse Sunni and Shiite, Iran and Al Qaeda. Maybe that is why he voted to go to war with a country that had no Al Qaeda ties. Maybe that is why he completely fails to understand that the war in Iraq has done more to embolden America's enemies than any strategic choice that we have made in decades.

Maybe that's why Obama was against the AUMF; he thought it was about Iran?


by Southern Mouth on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:51:47 PM EST

Inane. (2.00 / 1)

Are you a McCain supporter?


by Bob Johnson on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:56:46 PM EST
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Not a McCain supporter (2.00 / 2)

Are you an athletic supporter?

I just think Obama is going out of his way to malign people - McCain - because of his age.

It WILL NOT PLAY well in Peoria, with McCain's service to this country in the military and in Congress.

I hope Obama gets a little kinder in his remarks and sticks to REAL issues, not misstatements.


by Southern Mouth on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:08:03 PM EST
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McCain doesn't know the difference... (none / 0)

... between Shia and Sunni. That's a big deal. Regardless of his age.


by Bob Johnson on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:11:23 PM EST
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Re: McCain doesn't know the difference... (2.00 / 1)

It's also a mistake McCain made, seemingly deliberately, a multitude of times - including AFTER he was corrected on the subject in a very public an embarrassing way. It's not exactly the same thing as mixing up one letter in the name of two countries - only once mind you.


by TheSilverMonkey on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:25:30 PM EST
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Re: McCain doesn't know the difference... (none / 0)

Look at that, I forgot to put the 'd' in "and". i guess I must completely misunderstand the entire English language.
</snark>
by TheSilverMonkey on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:26:35 PM EST
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Re: McCain doesn't know the difference... (2.00 / 1)

Come on McCain is making these mistakes over and over, because he want's to make it clear that he's really ready to fill George W. Bush's shoes.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:25:25 PM EST
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Re: Not a McCain supporter (none / 0)

So hitting McCain over his inability to distinguish between Sunni and Shia is now age-ism?  Are you serious?  Here I was thinking that Obama was attacking McCain's national security creds, when really he's just calling him old.  Wow.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:23:31 PM EST
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TR'ed (1.33 / 3)

Because everyone knows that AUMF was against Iran, Obama even gave a speech about it.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:58:04 PM EST
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Obama is very mean spirited (2.00 / 2)

I guess it turns his supporters on, but not me.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:29:00 PM EST
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I figure you'd identify. (none / 0)


by Bob Johnson on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 12:01:30 AM EST
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Wow (1.66 / 3)

This is the best you can hit Obama with why don't you check out the diary insisting he is unpatriotic.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 09:56:41 PM EST

Turn about not fair play? (2.00 / 3)

Not for Obama supporters I guess.  

I thought Obama was unkind in his remarks about McCain.  He should be able to campaign against McCain without snot remarks, campaign on merits, not misstatements.  

Of course, the rep on Obama is that he never goes negative, but then anyone who is willing to SEE with their eyes and HEAR with their ears knows better.

According to the Huffington Post blog, Obama was addressing a crowd of fundraisers in San Francisco on Sunday when he began talking about his choice for vice president, and said he would choose someone who adds to his expertise.

"I think a lot of people assume that might be some sort of military thing to make me look more commander in chief-like. Ironically, this is an area -- foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain," Obama reportedly said.


by Southern Mouth on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:03:34 PM EST

Re: Turn about not fair play? (none / 0)

Maybe you should write a diary about it when he makes the same mistake for weeks.  Until then, you have no point.


by rfahey22 on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:30:07 PM EST
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Re: Turn about not fair play? (none / 0)

Better yet, write a diary complaining about Obama AND his VP running mate after he's won the nomination.

Err, wait.  She'll be on the sidelines at that point.  Oh well, there will no doubt be a captive audience over at Hillaryis56.org.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 02:04:50 AM EST
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Wow (2.00 / 1)

People are defending John McCain on a progressive blog. This site really is the Twilight Zone. So not only does the guy have the media spinning things on his behalf, now progressive blog readers/posters are doing the same.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:48:44 PM EST
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Re: Wow (none / 0)

Crickets..... Not surprising.  You nailed it.  Twilight Zone indeed.


by Tunk on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:01:59 PM EST
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Yes, Wow! (2.00 / 2)

And SOME people repeatedly and ruthlessly criticize a lifelong progressive Democrat on a progressive blog. Want some examples?

[Cue up Twilight Zone music....]


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:07:03 PM EST
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Re: Yes, Wow! (none / 0)

And of course you would have the good sense omit your criticisms of a lifelong progressive Democrat in the examples you would provide?


by Tunk on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:21:38 PM EST
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Re: Yes, Wow! (2.00 / 2)

Of course. I think Hillary will make a magnificient President.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:35:51 PM EST
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Re: Yes, Wow! (none / 0)

If you feel you must though I don't disagree this site has featured unfair attacks on both of the leading candidates.

That of course ignores the main point that no matter which candidate you support I would hope you realize that Senator McCain is the one that needs to loose in November.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 12:19:41 AM EST
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Re: Turn about not fair play? (none / 0)

Oh Snap!!  He really got him there.  "I know more and understand the world better then Sen Clinton and Sen McCain"  That's negative?

Give me a break.


by chewie5656 on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:20:39 PM EST
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Re: Did Obama misspeak? (2.00 / 2)

Yes, and I see your point.  If McCain is criticized for saying Shia when he meant Sunni, then Obama can be criticized for saying Iraq when he meant Iran.


by moevaughn on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:07:11 PM EST

McCain doesn't know the difference between... (1.50 / 2)

... Shia and Sunni. He has made this mistake repeatedly.

For you and this diarist to compare Obama's error to McCain's shows one of two things:

1. You are simple partisan hacks.

or

2. You don't know the difference between Shia and Sunni either, just like McCain.

I'm guessing it's the former, but it wouldn't surprise me if both 1. and 2. were true in your cases.


by Bob Johnson on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:15:29 PM EST
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Poor wittle Obama supporters (1.66 / 3)

I don't KNOW what McCain thinks, but I feel sure that he knows the difference as he has made many trips to the region.

As for me, Sunni and Shia - one has more than the other.  But then I'm not running for President.

Poor wittle Obama supporters.  Nobody should every say anything about poor wittle Obama.  It's not nice to pick on wittle Obama.

Well, if he gets to the Presidency, I hope you have tons of pills or alcohol to get you thru cause he's going to get hit from all sides.  Why should HE get different treatment?

Obama SAYS he doesn't play politics like old school, then he goes out and does it!

Glass houses!  


by Southern Mouth on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:26:14 PM EST
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Yep. (none / 0)

You nailed it, Einstein.


by Bob Johnson on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:28:01 PM EST
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Thank you. (2.00 / 1)


by Southern Mouth on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:34:11 PM EST
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Re: Poor wittle Obama supporters (none / 0)

Are you saying that Obama is a Putty Tat? Sylvester never mentioned him.  Look it up.    


by Tunk on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 11:48:00 PM EST
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It's not that big of a deal, besides.... (2.00 / 3)

Clinton's questions we're much more poignant.

For months, Clinton has been an outspoken critic of President Bush's negotiations with the Iraqi government over a long-term security pact, primarily because President Bush is not required to submit the pact for Congress' approval, despite the fact that Iraqi officials intend to submit the pact to their own parliament. Clinton asked Crocker why the President does not plan to include the Congress in the negotiations.

"We do not anticipate that the agreements will have any elements within them that would require the advise and consent procedure. The intent to negotiate is as an executive procedure," Crocker said.

"Well Ambassador Crocker," Clinton responded, "it seems odd to Americans who are being asked to commit for an indefinite period of time the lives of our young men and women in uniform, the civilian employees - whom you rightly referenced and thanked - as well as billions of dollars of additional tax payer dollars if the Iraqi parliament may have a chance to consider this agreement and the United States Congress would not...I would urge you to submit such an agreement to the Congress for full consideration."

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/04/08/ politics/fromtheroad/entry4001861.shtml


by soyousay on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:29:52 PM EST

Re: It's not that big of a deal, besides.... (2.00 / 4)

That was a fruitful line of discussion. Nicely done, Senator Clinton.


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by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 08, 2008 at 10:31:11 PM EST
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Re: Did Obama misspeak, make mistake? (2.00 / 1)

Oh, come on, now. This is ridiculous. The man misspoke. Can you imagine how tired he is? He and Hillary hardly sleep. Surely there's something better for us Clinton supporters to complain about.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 12:14:39 AM EST

Re: Did Obama misspeak, make mistake? (2.00 / 1)

Heh, I actually read it as not a mis-speak. Iran sending aid into Iraq to the various militias and that aid is distributed by the Iraqi government that is Iranian-controlled, in other words, that Maliki is a tool of a Iran.

But considering the context it is more likely a mis-speak.


by MNPundit on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 12:38:52 AM EST

Re: Did Obama misspeak, make mistake? (none / 0)

this has become a web sit that defends mccain on numerous occasions, and many here are quite immature


by nj49ers83 on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 12:42:51 AM EST

This is not a diary, (none / 0)

this is troll bait.


by haystax calhoun on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 01:43:02 AM EST

What Obama said. (2.00 / 1)

OBAMA: Do we feel confident that the Iraqi government is directing these -- this aid to these special groups?

Actually in the context it appears that Obama said exactly what he meant say, and that he was trying to get Crocker to admit that certain low levels of the Iraqi government are, in fact, directing (or least tacit about) what is claimed to be Iranian aid to "Shiite" extremists.

But Crocker instead chose to refocus blame onto Iran and the Quds.

One thing of interest is that Obama later referred to the "Maliki" government, instead of saying the Iraqi government.

In any case Obama did a great job of getting some real answers out of a dedicated servicemen and a dedicated diplomat, without belittling them or even harshly confronting them. I thought it was very wise that Obama made it clear that he was not laying blame at their feet, but that the decision to invade from the beginning had been wrong. And that it was powerful how Obama outlined a realistic goal for departure from Iraq in a bi-partisan way. Obama made the best comment when he made it clear that everyone there wanted Iraq to be a success.    


My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"
by Otaku Saru on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 02:37:38 AM EST

Re: Did Obama misspeak, make mistake? (2.00 / 1)

My favorite part was when Obama asked a 'rhetorical' question, then demanded an answer.

Petraeus should have said "you need to look up rhetorical in the dictionary, senator".


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 03:47:34 AM EST

Re: Did Obama misspeak, make mistake? (2.00 / 1)

I think he meant 'hypothetical', LMMFAO...


Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.
by switching sides on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 03:48:10 AM EST
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Re: Did Obama misspeak, make mistake? (none / 0)

Frankly, I don't think that McCain's mixup is any worse or better than Obama's. You can't believe how many people get Iran and Iraq mixed up and Sunni and Shia mixed up. Harping on this stuff makes the other candidate look elitist. The voters out there are saying to themselves "Yeah, I can understand getting this stuff mixed up. I get it mixed up too".


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 09:17:08 AM EST


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